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Re: updated talk for PID
Hall D PID Mail List:
Hi Eugene and Matt,
I was also struck by this passage in the document and the studies that
Matt did. I don't doubt the power of kinematic fitting, but these
results are quite surprising. In fact, taken at face value, they
would say forget any other PID -- we don't need it. For some of the
high multiplicity all neutral channels we were happy with S:B of about
5:1 and 10% efficiency. You have strange channels with S:B = infinity
and ~50% efficiency -- that's quite good.
I can't help but wonder what the background will be from broken
events. For example, if you have an event where miss a pion you can
make another one or two pions in the event a kaon to recover some of
the lost four momentum.
Matt
On Mar 19, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Eugene Chudakov wrote:
> Hall D PID Mail List:
>
> Matt,
>
> thanks for sending me your talk on the event fitting.
> For my current studies I (in fact) did not use any fitting. I just
> selected particle combinations, balancing the initial and final 3-
> momentum and
> the energy. Again, it was very simple: I selected the same absolute
> cuts
> in GeV for all events, without calculating the individual
> covariances for each event.
> Therefore, there must be a room for improvement.
> I am sure you have already perfected this method.
>
> If I did any new step with this study, it is considering the minimum
> bias
> background from PYTHIA.
> The pion suppression is only a factor of 0.4-0.6 for a kaon candidate,
> the overall suppression is about 0.2. The proton PID gives another
> factor of 4.
> Indeed, a factor of 3 comes from combinatorics, while some events
> may have
> no proton as well.
>
> Eugene
>
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> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Matt wrote:
>
>> Hi Eugene,
>>
>> The kinematic fit mentioned in your talk, is that the fitter that I
>> checked into the repository under $HALLD_HOME/src/libraries/PID? Or a
>> different one? I see you're doing a different study than what I
>> did, but I
>> found that using time-of-flight info from the BCAL and forward TOF
>> got you
>> quite far in trying to do kaon physics, though I had a simpler
>> physics
>> background than the full pythia spectrum.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Eugene Chudakov gen <gen@jlab.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hall D PID Mail List:
>>>
>>>
>>> I updated the slides, including new pictures and adding more info.
>>>
>>> It can be found at:
>>> http://www.jlab.org/~gen/gluex/talk_pid_rev.pdf<http://www.jlab.org/%7Egen/gluex/talk_pid_rev.pdf
>>> >
>>>
>>> The talk source is located at
>>> jlabl1:/home/gen/tex/GLUEX/talk_pid_march_2008.tex
>>> The pictures are stored at
>>> jlabl1:/home/gen/tex/GLUEX/pictures/plot_glx_*.pdf
>>> For each picture there are also .epsi and .ps files.
>>>
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Eugene Chudakov
>>> JLab
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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