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Re: Tagger Spec
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Tim Whitlatch wrote:
Dear Tim and Franz,
okay, I think we should leave things as they are now and try to really get
the contract bid. I can create final versions with the latest remarks
included and submit the PO so the process can start.
I think we should not put the 31st of may in but leave things as Tim
suggest and we discussed on one of the meetings. As the Tagger final
procurement is relatively late we are good with a 80% design foloowing the
PED guidance we got at the Lehmann review. I think we want high quality,
so better don't rush it to much.
Cheers elke
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:21:27 -0500
> From: Tim Whitlatch <whitey@jlab.org>
> To: Franz Klein <fklein@jlab.org>
> Cc: Elke-Caroline Aschenauer <elke@jlab.org>,
> Richard Jones <richard.t.jones@uconn.edu>,
> Guangliang Yang <y.guangliang@physics.gla.ac.uk>,
> Ken Livingston <k.livingston@physics.gla.ac.uk>,
> Elton Smith <elton@jlab.org>, Chuck Hutton <huttonc@jlab.org>,
> halld-tagger@jlab.org
> Subject: Re: Tagger Spec
>
> Thanks Franz. These are very good comments. I will interject my replies
> after each below in /italics/.
> Jay had some good comments also. Parker recommends 22-28% for larger
> orings in a vacuum configuration. Also, I believe he is correct in
> specifying the inlet temperature of the LCW.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
> Franz Klein wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > thanks for looking very closely into the documents.
> > They are getting to look very official!
> >
> > I have a few comments to your changes:
> >
> > 1) SoW
> > a) Do we include the design of the focal plane window?
> > After the last discussion I would say: yes (though we don't have any newer
> > detailed drawing from vacuum chamber and window flange: do we have to
> > provide something? If so, we can make a layout drawing from these 2
> > layers in Yang's ACAD model).
> >
> /We can make a drawing showing the window size, material and thickness
> or we can specify this and have the bidder add the window to the design
> they provide. That may be better./
> > b) I agree with providing deadlines relative to the approval of previous
> > stages, however I'd like to keep the completion for stage 2 fixed: May 31,
> > 2008, is really a deadline - due to the Lehmann review.
> >
> /I agree that the May 31 is very important. If we are to specify May 31,
> there may need to be some corollary that it can slip if the contract is
> late being signed, we are late reviewing the initial phase etc. /
> > c) Stage 1: good to specify: updates of these drawings or new drawings
> > are acceptable!
> > We should add (after 6.): Individual drawings of the focal plane face and
> > down stream face of the vacuum chamber showing the flanges for the thin
> > windows.
> >
> /OK/
> > d) to "Jefferson Lab will provide the following information":
> > item 2 was a poor formulation for the items you added (8+9)
> > (item 2 should be removed)
> >
> /OK/
> > e) Stage 2:
> > I had in mind that the contractor provides a structural FEA (see last 2
> > paragraphs on page 1: Structural FEA by contractor, but the contractor can
> > decide whether he wants to do the opera calculations or leaves this to us
> > (actually: Yang).
> >
> /OK, we should just add the word structural/
> > f) Stage 3:
> > Your additional sentences repeat what was said already on page 1 (but if
> > you like we can keep it).
> > The conversion to ideas format (.iges) is useful for us but I don't
> > understand why a good 3-D autoCAD model shouldn't be enough (or do you
> > want the contractor to purchase a conversion program ~ $1000).
> >
> /I just wanted to specify so there are no misunderstandings. My thoughts
> are that if someone does not use autocad or ideas, we will need a
> translation. We can specify that a 3D autocad or ideas model is acceptable/
> > ---------------------
> > 2) Specs.
> >
> > a) I updated the tagger specs in May after the meeting with Sergei (and
> > added a few things I was asked for over the last weeks). There are a few
> > items that are already part of the SoW and shouldn't be named specifically
> > in the specs (last sentences under sections 5+6).
> >
> > b) The specs document still refers to Yang's preliminary drawings, not
> > mentioning the IHEP work.
> >
> > c) Several specifications and options are left as they were before (e.g.
> > the SS vs. Al option for the vacuum chamber seems superfluous to me).
> > There are specifications for the coils which were not followed up by IHEP
> > (but these details can be considered later, eg. square section of
> > conductor, cooling circuits ...).
> >
> > d) The focal-plane vacuum window was not included since the windows were
> > seen as independent objects flanged to the vacuum chamber. If we ask for
> > welding the long window to the chamber, it has to be part of the specs!
> > Dan and I looked through several options and found 5 mil Al the best
> > (resolution error in microscope would be < 0.0002 (of E0) for electron
> > energies below 5 GeV (the resolution error increases to < 0.0003 of E0 for
> > 10.0 mil Al = 1.98 mil Fe).
> >
> > Please advise whether I should add these specifications (more important
> > though is the shape and material of the flange).
> >
> /I believe we should add the window and have the bidder do the complete
> pach=kage./
> > Thanks again, Tim, and have a nice evening
> >
> > Franz
> >
> > ps. Also thanks to Jay for his comments (and to Elke to forward it to
> > him!)
> >
> > ===============================================================
> > Franz J. Klein, Associate Professor
> > CUA, Department of Physics
> > Washington, DC 20064
> > office: Hannan Hall 210 phone: 202-319-6190
> > or: Jefferson Lab,CC F-243 phone: 757-269-6671
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Now I attached the file. Sorry
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Whitlatch wrote:
> >> Hi Elke et al
> >>
> >> I have finally gotten around to reviewing the spec. Again, should we
> >> put this in a formal format? Also please read my comments.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Franz Klein wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Franz,
> >>>
> >>> yes, I remember our discussion during the last phone meeting. I thought
> >>> that the agreement was to make the window of a size that the material is
> >>> really out of the way and that we ask the company to make an analysis for
> >>> the strength of the window. Did we not also decide to add the drawing you
> >>> made changing Guangliang's one to the package.
> >>>
> >>> If I have missed something please add a sentence or 2 to the SOW and / or
> >>> the requirements to address the concerns.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers elke
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:52 -0500 (EST)
> >>>> From: Franz Klein <fklein@jlab.org>
> >>>> To: Elke-Caroline Aschenauer <elke@jlab.org>
> >>>> Cc: Richard Jones <richard.t.jones@uconn.edu>,
> >>>> Tim Whitlatch <whitey@jlab.org>,
> >>>> Guangliang Yang <y.guangliang@physics.gla.ac.uk>,
> >>>> Ken Livingston <k.livingston@physics.gla.ac.uk>,
> >>>> Elton Smith <elton@jlab.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: word documents
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Elke!
> >>>> One last question: should we get more specific about vacuum window, beam
> >>>> exit flange, etc?
> >>>> (please see "GlueX tagger specs - 3. Vacuum box" and SoW addendum)
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings
> >>>>
> >>>> Franz
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> please find attached the wiki pages moved into doc-files. It would be nice
> >>>>> people could check for the last time there are no problems in the files.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> During a meeting w had today with the procurement guys, one nice point
> >>>>> came up, they suggested that one requirement we want to place to the
> >>>>> different companies bidding is that they give us the resumes of people who
> >>>>> will work on the project together with a small summary on what the firm has
> >>>>> done already.
> >>>>> It will help us to avoid to go for a low price bid and than run into the
> >>>>> problem the guys cannot make it for the price, because it is a small firm
> >>>>> and they want the contract, but are not yet experience in estimating the
> >>>>> costs. I think that is an excellent suggestion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The next plan from my side would be to send the 2 files to sergey so he
> >>>>> has a heads up on our actions. Anything else?
> >>>>> If you don't complain till tomorrow I will send it to procurement for more
> >>>>> suggestions and than we can hopefully hit the street with it. Tim how are
> >>>>> we doing on the action items from the last phone call drawings and so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers and thanks elke
> >>>>>
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> >>>> ===============================================================
> >>>> Franz J. Klein, Associate Professor
> >>>> CUA, Department of Physics
> >>>> Washington, DC 20064
> >>>> office: Hannan Hall 210 phone: 202-319-6190
> >>>> or: Jefferson Lab,CC F-243 phone: 757-269-6671
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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