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Talk 2: v4
Hall D PID Mail List:
Hi All,
Version 4 of the talk is ready and can be found on the usual place (wiki),
it should be pretty final. If you still find something let me know...
Cheers,
Yves
ps. Problems finding it? Try this:
http://www-meg.phys.cmu.edu/~yvhaarle/cdctalk.pdf
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Curtis A. Meyer wrote:
>
> look, I gave only a start point of a www page for the panda design, I can
> search more and contact people. But there is also a link to the cdr from
> 2005, I'm sure more than what is on this table is discussed.
> I will take care to get you more info.
>
> Curtis, I'm not sure a historical approach is a good one. Yes DOE is not
> great, I totally agree you can be sure of that. But that cannot be a
> argument for a slide discussing design.
>
> bye bye and good night
> elke
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:53:01 -0400
>> From: Curtis A. Meyer <cmeyer@ernest.phys.cmu.edu>
>> To: Elke-Caroline Aschenauer <elke@jlab.org>
>> Cc: Yves Van Haarlem <yvhaarle@ernest.phys.cmu.edu>, halld-pid@jlab.org,
>> GlueX Tracking <halld-tracking-hw@jlab.org>
>> Subject: Re: Talk 2: v3
>>
>> Hi Elke -
>>
>> On Sun March 23 2008, Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Yves Van Haarlem wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Yves,
>>>
>>> I have some small remarks still to your slides.
>>>
>>> slide 4:
>>> I don't think it is true it is mainly protons which go to the CDC.
>>>
>>> it is not clear to me what the points path length and energy deposition
>>> should indicate. if you want to say that that is what is measured, than
>>> that is really obvious if I do dE/dx ;)
>>>
>>> the 3rd item Need:
>>> hm, this numbers really fall from heaven here, they have especially no
>>> relation to anything before.
>>> Especially the sigma_z is difficult, because i think we show not one plots
>>> which proofs that we reach this and what it does on the physics.
>>> I would also rename it to performance Goals. Actaully the whole slide is
>>> better titled like that.
>>>
>>
>> sadly, we also have to look at the history of what DOE and JLab has done to us
>> by dragging out this project as long as it has been. The reality is that when we started
>> with all of this eight years ago, for a finite budget and what we felt that we could do at
>> CMU, these were perfectly reasonable comparisons. A 1.5cm think Al endplate of the
>> area that we talked about for the CDC would be needed to support the 5000kg load.
>> The project moved forward with R&D in this regard. Now here we are 8 years later.
>>
>> If I look at PANDA, they are going with 150cm long straws for the same
>> purpose as us, their so-called straw-tube tracker. Though from the numbers
>> posted on their web site, it is difficult to tell what the actual dimensions are,
>> other than they claim 150micron position resoultion (r-phi) and 1mm z from
>> stereo. They base this design on a WASA design (also straw tubes).
>>
>>
>> -- Curtis
>>> slide 6:
>>> I think that remark is more for curtis, crystal Barrel was a nice
>>> experiment, but like E852 stopped data taking last century ;) Is this
>>> really the best comparision to make.
>>> How about to look here http://www-panda.gsi.de/auto/_home.htm
>>> and the wasa experience.
>>>
>>> slide 19, I still think this slide is slightly misplaced, either it should
>>> go infront of the safety slide or actually to the prototype, because there
>>> you use it.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers elke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:10:00 -0400 (EDT)
>>>> From: Yves Van Haarlem <yvhaarle@ernest.phys.cmu.edu>
>>>> To: halld-pid@jlab.org, GlueX Tracking <halld-tracking-hw@jlab.org>
>>>> Subject: Talk 2: v3
>>>>
>>>> Hall D PID Mail List:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> While students are playing capture the flag and singing songs in the
>>>> building I prepared version 3 of talk 2. It can be found on the usual wiki
>>>> page and is waiting for your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Plots that I do not have but were requested during the dry run:
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Radiation length plot for a 90 and a 20 degree track (for slide 6)
>>>> 2 - dE/dx plot with no correction for distance, I was told this plot
>>>> already exists (for slide 27)
>>>>
>>>> David could you provide a link to these plots?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Yves
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ps. You can also use this link:
>>>> http://www-meg.phys.cmu.edu/~yvhaarle/cdctalk.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /--------------------------------
>>>> / Yves Van Haarlem
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>>>> /~/_| |_\~\ / Carnegie Mellon University
>>>> |____________| / Department of Physics
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>>>> | |____________| | \ +1 412 641-9252
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>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Yves Van Haarlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> The updated version of talk 2 is now available on the wiki page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/software/wiki/index.php/DC_and_PID_Review
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Yves
>>>>>
>>>>> /--------------------------------
>>>>> / Yves Van Haarlem
>>>>> _--~~--_ /
>>>>> /~/_| |_\~\ / Carnegie Mellon University
>>>>> |____________| / Department of Physics
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> Professor Curtis A. Meyer Department of Physics
>> Phone: (412) 268-2745 Carnegie Mellon University
>> Fax: (412) 681-0648 Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890
>> cmeyer@ernest.phys.cmu.edu http://www.curtismeyer.com/
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