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Re: robot for circuit boards
Hall D Electronics:
Hi Elke,
We will discuss this locally and get back to you with a proposal.
Paul
On May 31, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007, Paul Smith wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> thank you very much for the answer. I know about the discussion
> last year.
> I'm sorry to start it again, but 17k$ is a lot of money and I must say
> that a machine for 190k$ to build 100 CW-bases and 60 atlas boards,
> makes
> the boards very expensive. I'm sorry to say this, but to buy this
> machine
> was from a commercial point of view a not too great decission.
>
> I think we should do something with it, because I'm not willing to
> sign a
> new maintenace contract after this one is due if we don't have a
> plan how
> to use this machine at least 6/12 month.
>
> We don't need a decission right now, but I want to bring it up, so
> we can
> find a solution which makes everybody happy and we spend our money
> in a
> more efficient way.
>
> I welcome any suggestion/solution.
>
> cheers elke
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:59:54 -0400
>> From: Paul Smith <ptsmith@indiana.edu>
>> To: Elke-Caroline Aschenauer <elke@jlab.org>
>> Cc: halld-electronics@jlab.org, Elton Smith <elton@jlab.org>,
>> Chris Cuevas <cuevas@jlab.org>, Matthew Shepherd
>> <mashephe@indiana.edu>,
>> Alex Dzierba <dzierba@indiana.edu>, Hal Evans
>> <hgevans@indiana.edu>
>> Subject: Re: robot for circuit boards
>>
>> Hi Elke,
>>
>> There was a fair amount of discussion of this about a year ago when I
>> started my new job, but it's certainly reasonable to revisit the
>> issue.
>>
>> This machine was originally purchased by JLab and loaned to IU to
>> evaluate robotic electronics assembly and to build prototype
>> Cockcroft-Walton bases for the FCal - 100 were made. We had planned
>> to then use it for prototype flash ADCs, but that project was delayed
>> and eventually taken over by JLab.
>>
>> Chris Cuevas wanted to move the machine to JLab maybe 1.5 years ago,
>> but there wasn't any money to pay for moving it (there was an
>> estimate from BeamWorks, the manufacturer, for $30K to move it), and
>> there was also some question of where to put it at JLab; it needs
>> compressed air, 240 volts, and is fairly noisy.
>>
>> IU inquired about buying it from JLab for the estimated value after
>> depreciation (also ~$30K at that time), but that didn't seem to go
>> anywhere. Another option that was discussed was for JLab to buy a
>> new machine and trade this one in as part of the transaction; IU
>> would then buy this one from BeamWorks.
>>
>> In the fall of 2006, Elton agreed to renew the maintenance contract
>> and leave the machine at IU for the time being. I used it recently
>> to build 64 boards for ATLAS. It is available at IU for use by JLab,
>> but there haven't been any requests to do so yet.
>>
>> Based on my experience, I don't think it makes sense to eventually
>> build 3000+ FCal Cockcroft-Walton bases with the machine, but it
>> would be extremely useful for repair and rework of the bases.
>>
>> The machine does need regular preventive maintenance and has had a
>> few failed parts replaced, so if one stops paying for the maintenance
>> contract it will certainly stop working at some point.
>>
>> I can discuss further by email or telephone at any time.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Elke-Caroline Aschenauer wrote:
>>
>>> Hall D Electronics:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mitch, Fernando, Paul, Chris and Gerard,
>>>
>>> okay, I learned today that some time ago we bought a "robot" to
>>> assemble
>>> circuit boards, we are still paying the maintenance costs (17k$/
>>> year).
>>> Paul are you using it at the moment for anything.
>>> If not is the need from Gerard or is there either need at JLAB or at
>>> Mitch's place.
>>>
>>> I'm sure Paul can give any detail needed on the robot. I'm writing
>>> as I'm
>>> a bit concerned about having a 100k$ machine sitting there and
>>> paying in
>>> addition 17k$/year for maintenance.
>>>
>>> So please tell me if one of you could use the robot.
>>>
>>> cheers elke
>>>
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